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1. Eugen 🎄 (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2017 14:58:27 UTC Eugen 🎄

   • Hallå Kitteh
   • Paul Free (14 Ⓐ, europe)
   • Elias Mårtenson
   • Máirín Ní Dhufaigh

   @clacke @loke @paulfree14 @mairin They are convinced (without checking) that Mastodon outside of counter.social is riddled with bots and Russian propaganda. When I pointed out this isn't so, they reasoned it must be so, otherwise Jester wouldn't have had to put up those measures.

   • Hallå Kitteh repeated this.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2017 06:23:46 UTC Hallå Kitteh
     These people are so funny.
     
     https://counter.social/@3L3V3NTH/99250212975860489
     
     > How did this fight with Mastodon happen?
     
     > They just came out of the wood work?
     
     > What is going here?
     
     https://counter.social/@th3j35t3r/99250254492406470
     
     > It boils down to this >> @MastodonProject object to MY firewall policy that protects MY server, THAT I PAID for.
     
     > Where on planet earth is that an awesome way to do 'business'.
     
     > "Here's my software, but u must configure the firewall that protects u & ur users, like we want"
     
     > ???
     
     https://counter.social/@AkomoCombine/99250359566663390
     
     > So I'm still trying to understand Mastodons position.
     
     > The federated timeline can be seen yet I never see any other posts other than CoSo. [ . . . ]
     
     That's because your instance isn't federated, you putz. And that's the beef people have with you claiming to be an alternative to Twitter.
     
     Don't bother trying to follow the links *because the won't bloody work without a login*.
     
     https://twitter.com/PoliticalKel/status/946221764245299200
     
     > I'm going to put the odds at zero of CounterSocial breaking all federation APIs.
     
     Those are accurate odds. You get none of your money back.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2017 06:28:00 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • Hallå Kitteh
     This is pretty hilarious though:
     
     https://twitter.com/MastodonProject/status/946223844901212160
     
     > You seem very eager to claim credit for 1.5 years of work we've performed in establishing the software & platform
     
     Kettle th3j35t3r: Meet Pot mastodon. :-D
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2017 06:29:46 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Normandy
     @normandy No way, they got Wil Weaton onto there!
     Stephen Michael Kellat repeated this.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2017 06:36:14 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Normandy
     @normandy I am not serious that it will save the instance, but I am serious that they got some real names onto it.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2017 06:39:27 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Normandy
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     @h @normandy That Jester fellow has 200k Twitter followers, apparently. That probably helps.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2017 06:41:52 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • Hallå Kitteh
     https://twitter.com/Kronykal/status/946234162020782082
     
     > How were the federated apis broken? I can see the federated timeline when I’m on the site.
     
     Oh, you're precious. Your federated timeline shows only local posts, because nobody else can get a post in. But of course the timeline is there!
     
     Or, it's entirely possible that they only silenced everyone else but just don't allow anyone else to follow them. I don't have an account, so I won't bother investigating.
     
     https://twitter.com/PoliticalKel/status/946245766250577920
     
     > APIs are what make SM services so ripe for abuse by the very threats CoSo is designed to counter.
     
     The threat of other people and dissident opinion.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2017 06:49:05 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Normandy
     @normandy
     
     https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/945019427237580800
     
     I wanted to look at https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r to see if they had retweeted any more announcements, but:
     
     > You are blocked from following @th3j35t3r and viewing @th3j35t3r's Tweets.
     
     Now I'm a Nazi.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2017 06:58:32 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • Hallå Kitteh
     https://twitter.com/mcuban/status/937476697418534917
     
     https://twitter.com/portugaltheman/status/937435562277003264
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2017 06:59:40 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • Hallå Kitteh
     Ok I guess those are the three they got.
     
     https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/946220711068147712
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2017 01:04:21 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Paul Free (14 Ⓐ, europe)
     • Elias Mårtenson
     @loke #CounterSocial blocks IPs from six countries, plus more or less defederates from the Fediverse, to create a safe space.
     
     @paulfree14 and I guess @gargron called them out on it -- on touting the benefits of Mastodon while isolating themselves from the core feature compared to Twitter and other silos: federation with other instances. Also on claiming that nationwide IP blocks would keep propaganda out, when propagandists know how to use a VPN.
     
     Meanwhile, users of CS are ignorant and don't know what they're missing, as they can talk to other CS users just fine.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2017 13:08:17 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Paul Free (14 Ⓐ, europe)
     • Elias Mårtenson
     @loke @gargron @paulfree14 For left-wing Americans who are worried they might be infiltrated by alt-right propagandists orchestrated by:
     
     - Russians
     - Chinese
     - Pakistani
     - North Koreans
     - Iranians
     - Syrians
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2017 13:22:04 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Paul Free (14 Ⓐ, europe)
     • Elias Mårtenson
     @gargron @paulfree14 @loke They're a weird bunch.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2017 15:12:02 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Paul Free (14 Ⓐ, europe)
     • Elias Mårtenson
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     • Máirín Ní Dhufaigh
     @h @gargron @mairin @paulfree14 @loke How are they violating the license?
   • Nate Cull (natecull@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2017 21:07:03 UTC Nate Cull

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     • Paul Free (14 Ⓐ, europe)
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     • Marek Lach (@mareklach)
     • avocado goblin

     @h @enkiv2 @a_breakin_glass @mareklach @Gargron @mairin @paulfree14 @loke @clacke

     For me, I think it's more that

     "There is a rise of fascism internationally; and Russia is acting as a banker and coordination center for it. And now it's spread to the GOP."

     It's not "homegrown fascism OR Russian espionage".

     It's BOTH.

     However: Russia also backs fringe left-wing parties, and the message Russia is especially anxious to promote from all sides is "Everyone, ignore what Russia is doing".

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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2017 23:52:32 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Paul Free (14 Ⓐ, europe)
     • Elias Mårtenson
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     • Máirín Ní Dhufaigh
     @gargron @mairin @paulfree14 @loke @h The AGPL just says to give network users access to the source code, not that you need to retain networked features. If they have published source that can't reproduce their service, they should fix that rather than discontinue the service.
     
     The trademark route sounds more likely, but then you'll need lawyers to see what you can actually do with trademarks.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2017 23:59:57 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @amylsacks @h Yes.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 30-Dec-2017 00:04:55 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Paul Free (14 Ⓐ, europe)
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     • Marek Lach (@mareklach)
     @gargron @mairin @paulfree14 @loke @h @mareklach Ah, there it is. I wasn't sure I had dreamed up the Weaton being there thing or not.
     
     [Cato]There is no Mastodon network[/Cato]
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 30-Dec-2017 00:10:36 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Paul Free (14 Ⓐ, europe)
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     • Marek Lach (@mareklach)
     @mareklach @gargron @mairin @paulfree14 @loke @h Statism and American exceptionalism belongs to both sides of the left-right spectrum in the USA, it's part of the enwp.org/American_civil_religion .
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 30-Dec-2017 00:28:38 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Paul Free (14 Ⓐ, europe)
     • Elias Mårtenson
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     • Máirín Ní Dhufaigh
     • Marek Lach (@mareklach)
     @gargron @mairin @paulfree14 @loke @h @mareklach Not really. The Republicans and Democrats both occupy a narrow spectrum within the European-scale center-right with a hodge-podge nationalist-conservative-liberal-social-democracy ideology. The Conservatives are toward the right end of that narrow spectrum, the "Liberals" toward the left end.
     
     It's militarist, jingoist and corporatist, and the social part is more Bismarck-stave-off-the-revolution[0] than social positive rights.
     
     Depending on who hijacked the agenda at some point and what special interest groups shape the nation, specific policies in both parties may be much further left or right than the corresponding center-right policy in your generic European country.
     
     [0] Not that there's anything wrong with that -- that's the social policy I favor.
     Stephen Michael Kellat repeated this.
   • Stephen Michael Kellat (alpacaherder@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 30-Dec-2017 02:44:44 UTC Stephen Michael Kellat

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     • Hallå Kitteh
     @clacke It doesn't matter if there is a D or an R, USA people *all* seem like crazy right-wingers when viewed from the European context.
   • Stephen Michael Kellat (alpacaherder@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 30-Dec-2017 02:46:01 UTC Stephen Michael Kellat

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     • Hallå Kitteh
     @clacke The average UK Tory would be closer to a Democrat in the USA while the Republicans are closer to the DUP in Northern Ireland. Close.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 30-Dec-2017 04:20:07 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • Stephen Michael Kellat
     @alpacaherder That's what I said. Just not *far* right.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 30-Dec-2017 04:21:25 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • Stephen Michael Kellat
     @alpacaherder UK is an interesting political scene. It's between EU and US in terms of terminology, allowable opinion etc.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 30-Dec-2017 04:23:14 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Paul Free (14 Ⓐ, europe)
     • Elias Mårtenson
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     @mairin @gargron @paulfree14 @loke @h
     
     2) I would imagine the upstream software offers guidance on what's expected of any derivatives?
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 31-Dec-2017 02:59:16 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • zerohedge
     • Paul Free (14 Ⓐ, europe)
     • Elias Mårtenson
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     @gargron @mairin @paulfree14 @loke
     
     We do have @zerohedge and @newsstream.