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1. Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2017 07:22:12 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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   @skoll @dokidoki @dirb @awg I guess for a team that implemented animated GIF and WebP already, WebP-A shouldn't be too much of a challenge. I'm arguing myself into the view that maybe it does have merit. :-)
   
   WebM/Matroska (or any of the modern A/V formats really) has features for stream multiplexing, resyncing when skipping into the middle of a stream and other features that probably don't make much sense for 2 MB animation files.
   
   In other news, TIL about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG_XR /via https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=856375 .
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2017 04:39:42 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @skoll @dokidoki @dirb @awg WebP Animation is one of the funniest things ever. Hey, let's take this video codec, take out only the still frame part, and then use that to make a video format again.
     
     An "animation" format is just a video format without audio and with the cultural expectation to be moving pictures in places where you would normally put still pictures.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2017 04:45:05 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @skoll @dokidoki @dirb @awg
     
     So, https://nokiatech.github.io/heif/ looks like it's basically analogous to WebP-A but with the added benefit of using patented constructs? ;-)
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2017 05:05:52 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @skoll @dokidoki @dirb @awg
     
     > every "video" coding format can be "image" formate, and be much better than "still image" from begining
     
     I do not follow. Yes, still frames and images are the same thing. But why would a still frame codec necessarily be "much better" than an image, if they're from the same decade? Or are you just saying that it's plausible that they could? Of course.
     
     > Also you can't download them officaly, unlike gifs and still pictures. Just like in Youtube(Officially)
     
     I don't follow. There's no technical difference in the format itself that makes a movie or an "image sequence" more susceptible to DRM or obfuscation than the other. That's again cultural, that we have arbitrarily ruled/tolerated that images should be a simple img element, but videos should be delivered in other ways than a simple video element.
     
     On civilized video platforms, you can just right-click and "Save video as ...".
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2017 05:14:26 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @skoll @dokidoki @dirb @awg
     
     I think WebP has value, just like i think WebM has value. Taking a complex spec and specifying a subset that can be more easily implemented is not useless.
     
     I don't know WebM and WebP-A enough to say whether WebP-A simplifies anything important.
     
     I get why APNG exists, but WebP-A seems mostly like a prank.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2017 07:29:29 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     #mozilla #webp status: It's ongoing, no ETA.
     
     https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1294490